[Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train AI

Sarah Ann Oates soates at umd.edu
Tue Aug 8 06:36:34 PDT 2023
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Hi, FYI here is an open-access link (works for 2 weeks from today) to a
Washington Post story on this.

https://wapo.st/454pykT

As per usual, the AoIR community was spot on about violation of user rights
... Sarah


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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:39 PM Charles Eppley via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

> Nadia,
>
> I was confused by that sentence too. It’s very oddly worded and this feels
> very fluid to me…
>
> Best,
> Charles
>
> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Nadia Tjahja
> via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Date: Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:34 PM
> To: Colin Delany <cpd at epolitics.com>
> Cc: air-l <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>, Colin Delany <cpd at his.com>
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train
> AI
> Dear colleagues,
>
> I’m not very familiar with the legalese but under section 10.4 it says:
>
>    *Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat
>    Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without
> your
>    consent.*
>
>
> Is that meant to indicate that they automatically do not use content to
> train? Or that they will ask specific consent if they do want to use it for
> training? Or that signing the agreement automatically provides consent?
> It’s not quite clear to me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nadia
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 19:39, Colin Delany via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I suspect that the best chance of stopping this is publicity. The more
> > media coverage of it, the better.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph Reagle via Air-L" <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> > To: "Robert W Gehl" <lists at robertwgehl.org>, "air-l" <
> > air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 1:07:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train
> > AI
> >
> > My hope is that large institutions -- such as universities -- have
> > licenses that would not permit this...? ---Joseph
> >
> > On 8/7/23 11:35, Robert W Gehl via Air-L wrote:
> > > Hi, rick --
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing this. I saw your post on the fediverse, and
> following
> > your lead, read the relevant section. In my professional opinion: Zoom's
> > claim to our voice and face data for training AI is super gross.
> > >
> > > People may wonder: what do we do instead of Zoom? One answer I could
> > point to is Nextcloud. I host my own Nextcloud server and I regularly use
> > its Talk application to do video chats -- in fact, I just got off a call
> > with an interviewee for my book project.
> > >
> > > For those of you who don't self-host and want to rely on university or
> > institutional licenses, Nextcloud could be something to point to when you
> > talk to your admins about where to go if Zoom is no longer attractive.
> > >
> > > There are obviously other alternatives (e.g., Jitsi) but I can
> > personally say Nextcloud has done well for me.
> > >
> > > - Rob
> > >
> > > On 2023-08-07 07:47, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
> > >> Hi folks -
> > >>
> > >> As I posted to rickf at indieweb.social <mailto:rickf at indieweb.social>
> > yesterday, for those who may be using Zoom for teaching, research,
> external
> > collaborations and/or personal meetings, please note that their latest
> > terms of service (7/27/23) sections 10.1 - 10.4 seems to give them the
> > right to use the audio/video/shared content from your Zoom sessions to
> > train AI models.[1] I'm not aware of any opt-out to this collection.
>  This
> > item began surfacing over the weekend so more coverage in the coming days
> > is likely as the tech & privacy communities digest the potential legal,
> > medical, educational, and IP ramifications of this practice.
> > >>
> > >> [1]
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> >
> > >>
> > >> Just providing a heads-up for AoIRistas concerned with how their
> > (potentially sensitive) data, voice, and/or likeness - or those of their
> > friends, family, students, or collaborators - may be used by a third
> > party.  IIRC BlueSky claims something similar with content posted on that
> > platform, but imo that's not as far-reaching or potentially invasive as
> > this move by Zoom.
> > >>
> > >> <sigh> One wonders if there are any internet ethics folks employed &
> > empowered @ these places anymore, but I'm not optimistic. :/
> > >>
> > >> -- rick
> > >>
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> --
> *Ms Nadia Tjahja*
>
> United Nations University – CRIS | Digital Governance Cluster |
> Co-Coordinator
> of the Digital Governance Cluster & PhD Fellow
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> Vrije Universiteit Brussel | Brussels School of Governance | PhD Researcher
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> Communications Chair, Global Internet Governance Academic Network (GigaNet)
> YOUthDIG Coordinator, European Dialogue on Internet Governance (EuroDIG)
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>
>
> *Recent publications*
> Tjahja, N., Meyer, T., Shahin, J., (2022). Who do you think you are?
> Individual stakeholder identification and mobility at the Internet
> Governance Forum. *Telecommunications Policy**, 46*(10*)**,* 102410.
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> Tjahja, N., Meyer, T., & Shahin, J. (2021). What is civil society and who
> represents civil society at the IGF? An analysis of civil society
> typologies in internet governance. *Telecommunications Policy*, *45*(6),
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