[Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train AI

Charles Eppley Charles.Eppley at asu.edu
Mon Aug 7 14:33:26 PDT 2023
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Nadia,

I was confused by that sentence too. It’s very oddly worded and this feels very fluid to me…

Best,
Charles

From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Nadia Tjahja via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
Date: Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:34 PM
To: Colin Delany <cpd at epolitics.com>
Cc: air-l <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>, Colin Delany <cpd at his.com>
Subject: Re: [Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train AI
Dear colleagues,

I’m not very familiar with the legalese but under section 10.4 it says:

   *Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat
   Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your
   consent.*


Is that meant to indicate that they automatically do not use content to
train? Or that they will ask specific consent if they do want to use it for
training? Or that signing the agreement automatically provides consent?
It’s not quite clear to me.

Kind regards,
Nadia


On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 at 19:39, Colin Delany via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
wrote:

> I suspect that the best chance of stopping this is publicity. The more
> media coverage of it, the better.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Reagle via Air-L" <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> To: "Robert W Gehl" <lists at robertwgehl.org>, "air-l" <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 1:07:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train
> AI
>
> My hope is that large institutions -- such as universities -- have
> licenses that would not permit this...? ---Joseph
>
> On 8/7/23 11:35, Robert W Gehl via Air-L wrote:
> > Hi, rick --
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this. I saw your post on the fediverse, and following
> your lead, read the relevant section. In my professional opinion: Zoom's
> claim to our voice and face data for training AI is super gross.
> >
> > People may wonder: what do we do instead of Zoom? One answer I could
> point to is Nextcloud. I host my own Nextcloud server and I regularly use
> its Talk application to do video chats -- in fact, I just got off a call
> with an interviewee for my book project.
> >
> > For those of you who don't self-host and want to rely on university or
> institutional licenses, Nextcloud could be something to point to when you
> talk to your admins about where to go if Zoom is no longer attractive.
> >
> > There are obviously other alternatives (e.g., Jitsi) but I can
> personally say Nextcloud has done well for me.
> >
> > - Rob
> >
> > On 2023-08-07 07:47, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
> >> Hi folks -
> >>
> >> As I posted to rickf at indieweb.social <mailto:rickf at indieweb.social>
> yesterday, for those who may be using Zoom for teaching, research, external
> collaborations and/or personal meetings, please note that their latest
> terms of service (7/27/23) sections 10.1 - 10.4 seems to give them the
> right to use the audio/video/shared content from your Zoom sessions to
> train AI models.[1] I'm not aware of any opt-out to this collection.   This
> item began surfacing over the weekend so more coverage in the coming days
> is likely as the tech & privacy communities digest the potential legal,
> medical, educational, and IP ramifications of this practice.
> >>
> >> [1] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://explore.zoom.us/en/terms/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!fCjyDTTLKkt_T9XIqyr-PJBnmF5a7ceewkfB0QKHoWdCupuvwQQfZ-jhPIaBOH6NWcRf4WDfhl53XAeVynvDXpI$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/explore.zoom.us/en/terms/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!fCjyDTTLKkt_T9XIqyr-PJBnmF5a7ceewkfB0QKHoWdCupuvwQQfZ-jhPIaBOH6NWcRf4WDfhl53XAeVynvDXpI$>
> >>
> >> Just providing a heads-up for AoIRistas concerned with how their
> (potentially sensitive) data, voice, and/or likeness - or those of their
> friends, family, students, or collaborators - may be used by a third
> party.  IIRC BlueSky claims something similar with content posted on that
> platform, but imo that's not as far-reaching or potentially invasive as
> this move by Zoom.
> >>
> >> <sigh> One wonders if there are any internet ethics folks employed &
> empowered @ these places anymore, but I'm not optimistic. :/
> >>
> >> -- rick
> >>
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Tjahja, N., Meyer, T., & Shahin, J. (2021). What is civil society and who
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