[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Andy Stuhl andykstuhl at gmail.com
Tue Oct 25 08:41:59 PDT 2022


Chiming in as another happy mastodon/fediverse convert. An AoIR instance sounds like a great idea. One option folks may not have seen is Hometown (https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometown), a fork of the Mastodon project that is "99.999% Mastodon" and can smoothly federate with any Mastodon instance. The main difference is that Hometown adds a "local only" setting at the post level, which gives you the option to just share something with the community of other users on your instance. The main developer Darius Kazemi's article on how/why to "Run your own social" (https://runyourown.social/) would be of general interest to people on this list, I think.

Another thing worth mentioning is that Mastodon provides a neat feature to migrate an account from one instance to another while retaining its following/follower connections, so there's little downside to getting set up on an instance that might not be the one you want long-term.

-Andy

On 10/25/22 10:49, Andy Famiglietti via Air-L wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Usually a lurker on here, but I had some ideas for post-twitter academic
> micro-blogging. A mastodon could certainly be a good start. Is someone
> going to spin up an AOIR instance?
> -
> Andy Famiglietti
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:19 AM Richard Forno via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
>> Aha.  Then disregard my prior musing.  Thanks for the edification!
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>>
>>> Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to
>> follow activities on a given instance.
>>> --Alex
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org>
>>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
>>> À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>
>>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>
>>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et
>> pièces jointes. Merci!
>>> I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the
>> spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me:  Won't
>> this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in?  IoW,
>> say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to
>> share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance?
>>   (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but
>> can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I
>> played.)
>>> If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built
>> around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice,
>> btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and
>> communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how
>> will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon
>> instances?
>>> As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally
>> wrong in my comments here.   -- rick
>>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice to meet other Masto users.
>>>>
>>>> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity
>> on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global
>> event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement
>> transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
>>>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte
>>>> chfactotum.com%2Fopen-educators-on-mastodon%2F&data=05%7C01%7CAlex
>>>> andre.Enkerli%40collecto.ca%7C7bea1143167c439fa42208dab68b06ac%7Cfc06c
>>>> affbf2a48c9a5966a3db1845dd8%7C0%7C0%7C638023007254637965%7CUnknown%7CT
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>>>> hpSFkpw%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is
>> that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
>>>> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages
>> from this mailing-list convert into toots.
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
>>>> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally---
>> via Air-L
>>>> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
>>>> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <
>> mckelveyf at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>>>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et
>> pièces jointes. Merci!
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored
>> server...
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
>> Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
>>>> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
>>>> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me
>> in too.
>>>> Be good,
>>>> Fenwick
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
>>>>> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
>>>>> my presentation at AOIR.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
>>>>>> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
>>>>>> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
>>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Stu -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
>> Twitter.
>>>>>>> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
>>>>>>> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
>>>>>>> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
>>>>>>> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
>>>>>>> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo  I'd hate quit it,
>>>>>>> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even
>> after 13 years.
>>>>>>> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
>>>>>>> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
>>>>>>> I'm with you.  Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
>>>>>>> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
>>>>>>> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
>>>>>>> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
>>>>>>> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal
>> point for our
>>>>>>> country one way or the other.   (Though politically, I think this
>>>>>>> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
>>>>>>> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
>>>>>>> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
>>>>>>> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
>>>>>>> ensuing years.)  And that's all I will prognosticate about here
>>>>>>> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
>>>>>>> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
>>>>>>> "back on track for the future" anytime soon.  :/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
>>>>>>> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
>>>>>>> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
>>>>>>> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
>>>>>>> might say, "not so much."  Of course, that change in thinking also
>> could be a function of
>>>>>>> midlife as well as current events.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
>>>>>>> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
>>>>>>> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
>>>>>>> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
>>>>>>> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via
>> its Oversight Board.
>>>>>>> As for aca-Twitter?  As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
>>>>>>> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
>>>>>>> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
>>>>>>> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
>>>>>>> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform
>> post-acquisition.
>>>>>>> Stay tuned, I guess...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
>>>>>>> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
>>>>>>> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors.  Could
>>>>>>> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
>>>>>>> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
>>>>>>>> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
>>>>>>>> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
>>>>>>>> content moderation?
>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
>>>>>>>> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
>>>>>>>> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
>>>>>>>> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
>>>>>>>> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
>>>>>>>> can be inspiring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
>>>>>>>> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
>>>>>>>> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
>>>>>>>> Treasurer of a 501
>>>>>>>> (c)(6)
>>>>>>>> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
>>>>>>>> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
>>>>>>>> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
>>>>>>>> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
>>>>>>>> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
>>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
>>>>>>>> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
>>>>>>>> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
>>>>>>>> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
>>>>>>>> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
>>>>>>>> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
>>>>>>>> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
>>>>>>>> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
>>>>>>>> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
>>>>>>>> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
>>>>>>>> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
>>>>>>>> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
>>>>>>>> found in the Canadian election of
>>>>>>>> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
>>>>>>>> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
>>>>>>>> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
>>>>>>>> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
>>>>>>>> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
>>>>>>>> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
>>>>>>>> briefing. These were the slides in early February
>>>>>>>> 2020:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
>>>>>>>> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
>>>>>>>> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
>>>>>>>> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
>>>>>>>> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
>>>>>>>> Founder and CEO, Texifter
>>>>>>>> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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